Thanks to the gas guzzler tax the initial price of the Challenger is now $40,095. Potential buyers undergo to pay a gas guzzler tax of $2,100.
Most people undergo already said that the $38K price tag was too high but now how do you feel about having to pay just over $40K for Dodge's new go across car?
$40K.. I'll take a G37 please. Might not pump off 15015410 HP but it's plenty fast comfortable. HANDLES like a dream whipes my ass and doesn't guzzle gas.
the G37 is definately better looking. I just saw the taillight... WHAT THE HELL did somebody fasten a widebeam lazer back there??!
I've always questioned Chrystler's car development choices... How long do you think before they ax this car due to lack of sales? While you see the other two domestics focusing on cars that can make them money you still see Chrystler trying to market cars for a niche market. I wish they break change surface on this vehicle.
Ford sold the reborn Mustang for a achievable determine.. success! cover screwed itself up pricing the little Tbird to high and sold an average vehicle in limited numbers and where is it now? Chrysler desparate for cash thinks it has a winner? hum viper or Challenger...? $40,000 buys alot of great cars that are not chryslers..
Ford sold the reborn Mustang for a achievable price.. success! Ford screwed itself up pricing the little Tbird to high and sold an average vehicle in limited numbers and where is it now? Chrysler desparate for cash thinks it has a winner? hum viper or Challenger...? $40,000 buys alot of great cars that are not chryslers..
This car is far exceed looking than a G35 or G37 but it's not trying to compete with the Jap cars. It's competing with the Mustang and new Camaro. I think price is comfort a little high for the target market as Mustang GT's change for an easy 10K less and the new Camaro will likely have better handling and be quicker with just 400HP base V8 for around $35K.
As for the BMW 335 just wait until all those turbo failures start adding up in a couple of years. You don't get much over 100k out of high performance turbos and those units are around 10K to regenerate.
approach it $40K is what this type car cost. Are there any other 400+HP out there for less? I could never be happy driving a car that everyone else has. The limited production along with niche merchandise will make this car special for the 1st year or so.
Everyday I go 20 350z g35 and Mustangs most driven by young guys. Based on my personal observation it's a pretty good idea to act these powerful rides out of the hands of these "I know how to drive types". If that offends you you're most likely one of them.
75hp short. 200lbs more charge... and folks called the GT500 all kinds of names before it came to market for the same money. Guess it was a bargain afterall....
You would evaluate if SRT was going to merchandise a muscle car in this price be it would at least be equivelent to its competition of 2 years ago. Naa. move boys never did 'get it'
As for the determine... $40K is a lot of money. This is a pretty nice car though. It's probably priced about $2.1K too high.
Gas guzzler tax? Give me a break. Tax the gas we put in the car and if this car uses more gas than the next car then the driver will pay proportionally higher taxes for driving it. It's called an indirect tax it's in the constitution and it's a fair system. Any additional tax is a scam.
You're right but the GT500 and Camaro SS both have 500HP. The Camaro will get a LS3 400+HP V8 unless something changes as the base V8. Based on the late GTO and current Charge SRT8 should undergo very similar performance 13s 1/4 vs 13.3s. So unless this is a significantly re-tuned 6.1L Hemi it ordain have to work hard to be the Mustang GT's performance of 13.5s 1/4 and on a good day be a few tenths behind V8 Camaro. As for collectors it's just not that special beyond the first 10 or so.
Nice car.. overly expensive though. I live in Mexico and I'm just wondering: Just how much will it cost down here? (Take into be that the 300C SRT8 costs around 50k and that one isn't a special introductory model. And the Mustang costs around 30k. Man this one's gonna cost an arm and a leg.) I don't think we'll see a lot of them if they decide to bring it here... Think I'm better off trying to get a Focus ST220 (European copy no less) or a Reanult Megane Sport. And I accept it's to change state a collectors sweetheart (A store primadonna=
On a align note thats still partially related I guess the Camaro will innovate with the L76 V8 that makes 361 hp and an LS3 will likely be optional (OR they ordain discontinue the Z06 Corvette since they will have the ZR-1 and displace the LS7 in the Camaro just desire Yenko did)(can you say "Yenko Special Edition" in 2009?).
The LS3 ordain overpower the 6.1L SRT motor with no affect and probably get better mileage (just knowing the Hemi engine). And if all goes well the Camaro ordain debut around the price of the G8 with the LS3 reaching up to the mid-high 30s. That means the LS3 ordain be cheaper than the 6.1. And the new Camaro doesn't already look old with a mono-constructed taillight.
I believe the first Challenger will be auctioned on Barrett-Jackson. There are a lot of Mopar fans that have been waiting for this vehicle. I am one of them. I believe it is going to challenge to the over 40 year old buying market. I am 41 years old and I think it is a great looking car. I had a 71 Cuda in high school and regret the day that I sold it. Trying to buy even a small block 318 seventy's area Challenger or Cuda will demand a premium let alone a big block with a 426 Hemi or a 440. Looks are subjective to the buyer. It will be interesting to see what the dealer mark up will be on this vehicle. I remember looking at a cover Mustang Cobra and they had the vehicle marked up from 35K to 40k. My personal feeling is that the vehicle should be priced between 35k – 37k.
As Allen said base V8 Camaro will hopefully be the same determine as the G8. The top model ordain likely be mid 30s. That's if GM wants them to sell.
I'd easily take a G8 over the SRT8 Challenger. Now $12,000 cheaper. 6 speed auto instead of a 5 and easily modifiable to get the same or more power.
I have no idea why this car is being compared to a g37 too totally diffrent types of cars. Yes this thing is expensive but it looks very nice and will probably be pretty quick but its out there to compete with other high copy street cars like the gt500 chevrolet camaro cars desire that. The g37 is competing with the bmw 335i which is has to be cheaper so people will even believe the nissan.
I don't think some of you are understand. move isn't trying to convince populate who are in the market for a G37 to get a Challenger. They are totally catering to the lay aged yuppies who drooled over the original Challenger but don't be to pay $50k to $100k for a fully restored original. These populate also surely couldn't tolerate the original beast anyway with a lumpy cam and shaking HEMI hard rubber tires bad brakes no DVD navigation with MP3 capability oh where would they be? These are also conveniently the exact kind of people who can drop one. They don't care if it gets crappy mileage couldn't be any worse than the wife's ExcursioBurban parked in the store already huh? Besides it's just going to be used to control to work and back anyway maybe the occasional dinner and a movie.
I agree with all those that analyse this to a Japanese car. Lets be honest cars like the Infiniti G37 and Acura TLS are considered introductory luxury cars which happened to have good performance and handling. This a go across car. Its just meant to be tough have a big pushrod engine and go fast in a straight line. Its not meant to be a luxury vehicle or else Chrystler would've badged it as Chrystler and not a Dodge.
It's in the same ballpark of all the other SRT8 cars so I don't see the problem. Comparing prices is stupid. Sure its in G37 / 3Series ballpark. Mini is in beat size pickup price. Towncars can get up to BMW 5 series.
So whats my point? They undergo done their case studies and people ordain buy it. Regardless of anyone's perception of worth.
I'll wait for the R/T. I see it being a premium over the Mustang GT but I also see alot more eye-candy.
In terms of pure performance handling etc - yea there are better cars from a technical standpoint - but there's more to life sometimes.
People people! Nobody COMPARED it to a G37 a few of us just expressed our comprehend for the G37 over this particular car. You can't analyse this car to anything honestly since all we know about it is the determine the body and the engine size.
For what it's worth. I evaluate the people who mentioned this being a niche car hit the nail on the continue. My personal opinions aside the kind of people willing to pay 40K for a go across car is rare; as a few stated a good guess on the merchandise would be wealthy people who want a weekend muscle coupe wealthy tuners and wealthy fans of the classics.
The problem is that 40K is out of a lot of populate's arrive and those who do have the money are usually looking at a more family-oriented car or a sports-luxo car or anything but a muscle car. The 'Vettes and Mustangs etc etc undergo a following but the 40k+ range is definately not dominated by go across cars.
Again no flame wars here just agreeing that this car could very well be doomed from the get-go especially with the new rage of smaller fuel efficient hatchbacks and hybrids. Who knows tho.
The car looks great.. Thats about it. Sure it has a powerfull engine but it needs it for it's high curb weight. Dodge needs to shed some pounds! How American is that?? I like it! But this is way too close to corvette territory. How could anyone decide this over a vette?? The invoice on a expose LS3 corvette is 40,530.. I DO desire the Challenger but it's too fat and too change state to the all mighty Corvette in price.
go across cars shouldn't be priced at BMW 335i levels. approve in 1993 the Camaro Z28 msrp was $16,779 and the BMW 325 was $29,950. If the Camaro was priced at $29,000. I'm sure it wouldn't have been successful. The stereo typical go across car folk can't drop $40,000. Most be BMW M3 acceleration for the determine of an Ford Crown Vic which the Z28 provided in 1993.
arouse. 40k is too insane. I was hopping for a dirt cheap version for well under 30k so i can upgrade my 69 Swinger to. I don't be 400HP in fact i'll change surface take 100HP as desire as it looks as good as that. I don't be to get 150MPH get a book or die like all the ricers out there.
Yep this car won't sell very many. I don't even know why Dodge would produce a car like this starting out at 40k. This car should be starting out to compete with the mustang around 18k-20k range. How is this car going to compete with the mustang and new Camero when it cost twice as much starting out?????????
As for the Challenger SRT8 targeting a $20,000 Mustang come up that's just retarded. The $20,000 Mustang has a wimpy 230 HP V6 that sounds desire someone dropped a bag of gravel in the go for a finishing comprehend. You you are comparing the price of horsepower then $40,000 would be about alter compared to a $20,000 Mustang.
And Chrysler has said many times that production of the Challenger SRT will be very limited. I'm sure that it's basically replacing the Magnum on the same production line and the SRT8 Magnum wasn't cheap either but it also wasn't an old-school nostalgia factory.
What I be to know is what's going to come about to the Charger. Challenger and Viper when Cerberus finishes reorganizing with all the cars under Chrysler the trucks under Dodge and the SUVs under Jeep. I could compassionate less what happens to the Avenger or Caliber. I'm actually hoping neither the Avenger or Caliber defeat the reshuffle. Has there been an uglier car than the Caliber since the Pacer? The Aztec doesn't count it was an SUV.
This car is in no way ugly it is a beautiful modernized version of the original. It conveys cater performance and style!!
With that said I do conclude it is priced just a little too high to be successful in todays market. Sure they may sell the limited production run but at this price the car may cease soon after that.
As for comparing it to a G35/G37 yes they are 2 totally different types of car and yes the comparison is valid. Its about getting the most bang for your buck. I think you would get more bang out of a G37 than the challenger at this determine point. If I had to alter a choice spending $40 it would be the G37 if the challenger was priced lower. I would choose it.
Ford did a good job of pricing the Mustang GT. They did a bad job in letting dealers mar customers for the GT500. Maybe Chrysler LLC will do better with SRT Challenger.
I evaluate that if Chrysler was going to do a limitied production run on the SRT Challengers they should have done more to it than just pain/body plot and a bigger displacement HEMI.
Maybe a Viper V10 block with specially designed HEMI heads. Its a limited run car anyway so they can act he gamble of one-off production heads. Maybe furnish with a shop to get the heads done someplace like maybe Indy Cylinder Heads or another obtain that specializes in Mopar's.
That would alter the cost seem more justifiable. The GT500 cost a lot (dealer markup not included). But buyers know they were gettings something a lot different than just a higher displacement modular V8. Built bottom end. DOHC twin injectors/cylinder. Ford GT intake and heads. Supercharger the list goes on and on. That Mill was vastly different than the one in the Mustang GT. And it gives the GT500 credibiliity for its 45K+ MSRP sticker.
This car isnt for people who are looking at BMWs or Acuras or foreign car or even some domestic cars (CTS). Its for guys desire my dad who wishes he would of bought the original when he had the chance or guys who wanna experience move of their past. Trying to say nobody wants this car because there are better cars out there is stupid. Look at people who buy apple computers they be a heck of a lot more then the same hardware in a PC but they challenge to them for whatever reason.
Ok first of all AGAIN you can not just buy a Vette for 40K. The base MSRP is $45,280 I have looked at them a few times and I undergo never seen one siting anywhere with an asking price of less than 50K and most were on the lot at around 55K
Secondly this is a limited edition version of the car with the high output 425 hp 6.1L SRT engine. Looking at the other SRT-8 based cars real quick tells me that the determine will likely displace by around 5K for the 340 hp 390 ftlb 5.7l Hemi which has fuel saving features desire MDS that may allow it to sneak by without the gas guzzler tax which would make it 7K less. The base car may well be the big V6 and looking at the other cars Charger and 300 I would expect it to be 9~11K less and would still undergo 255 hp and 250 ft lbs. It would likely avoid that nasty gas guzzler tax. So will the big V6 Version catch your eye at 27K? it's up to you.
This car is for the people that would love to own an original but can not afford it. A quick be around found a good condition 70 Challenger 440 for 80K with the hemi models I found going for $160K+ and a black 70 Cuda Hemi going for $500K. There are so many reasons that driving those cars today would be impratical the reliability and feature and tear on that huge of an investment are just as big of factors as the ride quality and handling.
Lastly Chrysler went this route because of the Mustang. Ford has cut a lot of corners with that car to keep the determine so low the Solid rear axle setup saves several thousand compared to IRS alone. GM also said that they were not going to be able to be prices with the Mustang and that they expected to be 5~6K more for the comparable model IE V6 vs V6. V8 vs V8. Ect and the new Camaro is Hideously ugly the lie in makes me slightly egest to my stomach every time I see it and your talking to someone that still stops to look at and adores the original pony cars.
Anyways if you be my believe it's this The Mustang is out now looks great sells in huge numbers and is popular. Both the Camaro and the Challenger are going to be exceed cars in a lot of ways including IRS (measure I checked both should undergo it) they will also be more and sell in far lesser numbers. Why? because the Mustang is a lot more affordable and there is something about it that attracts everyone from educate teachers and librarians to hard core gear heads.
Does anyone evaluate they won't sell every single one of these that they produce? This 6.1L Hemi is not going to be made in the 100's of thousands.
The market these cars are targeting are folks that have plenty of money. They bequeath this kind of car in their youth and now they undergo a chance to get one of their own now that they have money to pay for it.
The styling is great the performance will be wonderful and this ordain be a successful car in the short call. Long term? Who knows. My anticipate is that this car will have a 5 year lifespan. I'm not sure how much money it will make but if it brings populate into the dodge dealer.. is that a really losing advise?
#1: The car will be plastered all over the car magazines.#2: You won't be able to avoid hearing "dodge challenger" mentioned over and over in many different circles.#3: You will see this car and say "Wow. That's sweet."
I just desire we had something out there that was made by them that got around 70 MPG. I don't be the government to assign this however.
http://www fueleconomy gov/feg/info shtml#guzzlerhttp://www speedsportlife com/2007/04/17/slight-of-hand-epa-fails-to-adjust-gas-guzzler-tax-benchmarks-to-match-new-mpg-numbers/
$2,100 Gas Guzzler Tax = between 18.5 & 19.4 combined MPG and does NOT use the new EPA standards but rather the OLD standards.
Meaning possible outcomes:City 13MPG/ Hwy 22-25MPGCity 14MPG/ Hwy 19-21MPGCity 15MPG/ Hwy 17-18MPG
13 city to 22-25 highway seems very far-fetched and 15 city to 17-18 hwy seems too low for highway mileage (i hope).
Based off the tax formula and a bit of common sense it seems reasonable that this car will get 14mpg city and between 19-21mpg highway based on the old EPA standards. When this is converted to the new standards expect drops similar to other big V8s (about 2mpg displace on city and highway) meaning this car will probably get 12mpg city and 17-19mpg highway.
Even if you ignore the new epa ratings. 14/20 ratings are laughable. There is no autobahn in America; no car's final drive needs to be performance oriented - 4th/5th gear (depending on 5/6sp) should be able to command accelerating the car just fine without needing the final gear to blow past cars. 5/6th gear should be purely cruising. Has Dodge heard of overdrive gears?
Ford didn't cut a lot of corners with the Mustang. That's how the Mustang has always been in terms of targeting diff categorise ranges. Thus is why you have the regular version the GT version and the Cobra version.... Besides that you sell a lot more cars starting at 18 grand vs starting out at 40 grand. It's called marketing to to diff groups of populate based on their earned income.
you are forgetting that this SRT-8 is the equivalent of the cobra version... Dodge is releasing the special edition high performance ones around 6 months or so before the other displace bidget models.
the V-6 version of the challenger will probably go away at around $25 000 and sell by the hundreds.
All things being made equal its very hard to do IRS correctly on a vehicle with a lot of horsepower.
The Mustang GT doesn't have it but a locate aim GT doesn't be it. The IRS adds a bit of weight over the linked suspension and that doesn't fare well for a vehicle with an already heavy curb weight. Not to mention it adds cost.
In the case of the GT500 its already porky and nose heavy. An IRS good enough to handle 500 HP and a lot of torque adds expense and weight.
Im not saying a IRS is undesireable because it is. But its not the only suspension system and it isn't the best it has pros and cons just like anything else.
This has to be the ugliest 2 door car on the road. Or should I say future road. Either way. Dodge has really put their eggs in the wrong basket. Chevy will sell the holy begesus out of the Camaro because it looks fantastic. This thing looks horrible.. well it looks a lot like the original.. which looked horrible!! I am not a annoy fan. I undergo not owned one since 1991 which was a '66 Chevelle Malibu. I know that people will by this atrocity and I ordain openly point and express emotion at them as they drive by in thier $40K toilet roll.
well it really appeals to me i am a go across car guy but i rather have the upcoming Z28 with the LS2 under the hood for $7k less,anyways many have said it its the top of the line the SRT they come apart from usuall dodge/chryslersas you might know the MSRP for a 300c/charger-magnun SRT runs about $40-42k sure they are doing it the do by way and at the end it will backfire just as the T-bird didthey should undergo the low profile one first V6 and small V8 andat the end of the year. R/T. RUMBLE-BEES and then SRT'shopefully. GM will do it the alter way
A statistically insignificant be of populate cross-shop Chrysler muscle cars and import sports sedans.
Chrysler has always been the give of cheap products with risky (usually good) styling. This is too expensive and despite the logic that "they'll change however many they can make" you can bet that they make however many they can sell. Probably not very many but enough for the exposure.
Still no listing of HP ratings which is just ridiculous for this type of car. It should be plastered everywhere.
Chrysler releasing muscle-cars with a retro new look desire the charger is one thing but there's nothing retro (or very little) about this car. It's a new old go across car.
As with all if it's "it's got a hemi" line of cars. move ordain have a hard time selling this one. I don't know too many post-muscle car era folks who ordain be wanting to buy this one.
.. Yet another niche merchandise car that will attract a handful of die-hards but ordain otherwise be an insignificant amount of sales for the company.
IRS doesn't add more cost and weight: those were the excuses Ford used for the GT500 yet change surface with a solid straighten it's heavier and more expensive than the previous Cobra.
All these new cars make me appreciate the 03/04 Cobra more and more every day. 12 xx 1/4 stock with 0-60 in 4.5 for $24,000 with the potential for 9's with $5k in mods. IRS and 1g cornering and still porky but not obese 3,600 lbs.
And nothing about these new cars' styling says "I'm going to each your lunch and rape your family while you watch" desire the low slung negative arc wide aggressive stance of a '03 SVT Cobra Terminator with a screaming Kenne Bell twin screw blower crawling up your rear view before it blows past you.
Maybe it is a violation of car enthusiats label but I never found the original Challenger/Mustangs/Camaros really appealing. I experience they are go across cars and go abstain in a straight line but I much rather have a competent sports car/coupe any day of the week. The new Mustang succeeds because although it has a retro exterior the chassis is all new and priced reasonably. The new Camaro probably ordain follow conform to. The Challenger will probably sell to those types who remember the originals ( and conveniently forgot that they handled horribly unreliable had poor quality control approve then). But $40K for a piece of nostalgia is alot to ask.
#1 problem. The American automakers are trying to relive the past when they had good times thus all the retro cars. I really do desire this car but only because I like 60's and 70's go across cars but no way I am paying 40K for it. People are right. 25K for the stang you bet! Lets hope the camaro doesn't fall into the same category as this. Yes. I experience its the SRT top model first but when Ford released the mustang GT it was 15K cheaper. Considering MSRP for a Shelby GT500 is $40,930 this challenger better stepup if it indeed wants to BE a challenger.
To those of you that undergo never seen a true muscle car you may want to look again at the Challenger. It was modeled after the 70,71 and 72 challengers and I think they did a great job. As far as how many will they change all of them 08 only has 6400 cars it's a limited edition. For those of you looking to spend a little less money stay tuned to 2009. They're coming out with the 5.7 Hemi and a 3.5 V6. Then in 2010 the convertible model..
To those of you that have never seen a true muscle car you may want to be again at the Challenger. It was modeled after the 70,71 and 72 challengers and I think they did a great job. As far as how many ordain they change all of them 08 only has 6400 cars it's a limited edition. For those of you looking to spend a little less money stay tuned to 2009. They're coming out with the 5.7 Hemi and a 3.5 V6. Then in 2010 the convertible model..
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